Magic Toxicity

Is magic messy?

Some authors make a lot of noise about how you need to clean up after yourself magically. Magic is some dangerous force that must be properly contained for your safety and sanity – and for those around you.

The result of this kind of hype is less magic practice and more excited talk about “energy bombs” and spirits on the loose. As if every one-page love spell is the climax of Ghostbusters.

Magic is not the toxic waste of the mind. It’s messy, but more the way that painting is messy.

If you’re a painter there are consequences for not preparing beforehand, and not cleaning up afterward. These dire consequences can include wasting a little bit of paint, having a hard time finding tools, and ending up with a canvas that’s different than what you originally envisioned. You might even stain your clothes.

That’s quite different than working in, say, a nuclear reactor. One wrong move won’t spell the end. The uncertainty factor can be frustrating, but not lethal. In the right hands it’s a promise of liberation. Messy, unprepared painting sessions can lead to amazing works of art. The same applies with spells.

If you have a very specific purpose you want to accomplish, plan carefully.

But: get your hands dirty. You won’t poison the neighborhood just because you didn’t cast a circle.


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Comments

  1. Psyc says:

    I agree for themost part. But I imagine there are times when clean up should happen.

    Im in no way promoting it, but if you fling a curse or some such it might be wise to sterilize afterwards. And depending on your preferred methods, its probably worth it after a healing session.

    Again, in most cases it really isnt vital. But common sense should be applied to every individual situation.

    • altmagic says:

      That makes a lot of sense, Psyc. Even in a purely naturalistic theory of magic, if the magician believes they are handling something poisonous – e.g. when cursing – then “cleanup” for your on sake is reasonable.

  2. I agree wholeheartedly, but there are times when one should have the courtesy to leave no trace or mess behind for someone else to find. Well, that and it’s just common sense!

    It’s like when you move out of an apartment, you want to clean it up before you go so you can get your security deposit back, right? Plus you don’t want to leave a mess behind for someone else to discover, even if the mess is an “invisible” one. I’m talking about the psychic leavings — I’ve moved into places and found places where some idiot left behind still-active sigils and so forth. Perhaps they left them that way on purpose, but they were curses, and required a special cleansing to take place. Those aren’t fun to do.

    Also some spirits remain attached to objects and those things are left behind in buildings long after, sometimes many decades, the magician has left the building or even died.

    I watched an episode of “Oddities” on the Science Channel where some innocent person found a (you’ll never believe it) Nganga in a storage unit sale. To make matters worse, the Antique store owners (the stars of the reality show) are just as clueless as he is about it and they take it to the storefront of Migine Gonzalez-Wippler to ask her what it is. Migine Gonzalez-Wippler has a bad reputation in the Ocha community for exploiting the people and selling/publishing photographs of their rites without their permission. Taking advantage of being on camera, Gonzalez-Wippler claims that the Nganga, if released from the cauldron, “it could destroy 9th ave” and this prompts the folks from Oddities to take the Nganga to an x-ray imaging specialist… So. They use gamma rays to find out what’s inside! At that point I’m fuming and look away, feeling sorry for the spirit and the fools who are molesting it with gamma rays. The apparently see some images of bullets, railroad spikes, and something small, round, and enclosed in metal at the bottom that cannot be penetrated by the x-ray.

    You can watch that episode here:
    http://youtu.be/VpRkJyUwi1U

    Most likely the person who left the Nganga behind did so unintentionally — who would dare leave something like that behind? They never reveal a follow up and the poor guy who found it is sent away because the object is too weird, too occult for even Oddities to sell.

    After this aired, I got online to discuss the repercussions of exposing a Nganga to radiation… The general reaction among practitioners was the Nfumbe would have been pissed off because their etheric body(s) were being hit with ionising radiation, yet would not have destroyed it. Also the chains kept around the cauldron indicated a walking prenda was also attached — a walking prenda is the spirit of a dead person that is over active, so chains are put around the cauldron to keep it in place (or so I was told). Anyway, I wanted to share that, sorry for long details!

    What would you do if you came across, or if someone came to you with something like a Nganga that they found while cleaning or restoring a building/house? What if disturbing such a thing on accident makes a mess someone doesn’t know how to clean? What would be the consequences of that kind of magical toxicity? I’m interested to get your take on that!

    • Pip says:

      This is quite interesting, Valentina. Can I ask some questions about it? The answers might be relevant to a discussion Drew and I are having elsewhere.

      Question 1, why would the Nganga care if it was being hit by X-rays? Ionising radiation is harmful to us because it is ionising – it can strike atoms and ‘knock off’ an electron or two. Is the Nganga made of material atoms, like a human being? What’s an “etheric body”?

      Question 2, you mention stumbling across still-active sigils that you had to cleanse. What would their effects have been on someone who had moved into the property not knowing they were there, or not knowing what they were?

      - Pip.

    • altmagic says:

      Val, I appreciate the detailed example. My own beliefs are that most (all?) of magic is in our minds, so nothing bad will happen from leaving something like that behind. In any case even if spirits are objectively real, they cannot be harmed by radiation since they’re not material beings.

      That said, it’s deeply disrespectful to practitioners of that tradition. In that sense it’s offensive to treat such an object so lightly, the same way it would be offensive to bring pork to a Jewish cookout or desecrate a shrine of any sort.

      • We have to get into a serious discussion about spirits sometime, Drew, and compare notes. I have new theories and gained more experience over the years that I’d like to share. Perhaps one of these days, before you head out on your Great Adventure, we could hook up and have a time of it? No matter what, if you’d like to discuss further, you know my email and phone number, friend. :-)

        We all need to learn better respect. It’s clear that the folks on the show “Oddities” really were ignorant, something that is forgivable, but only at first. Whenever I see something like that, makes me want to hop on a bus, go over there, and start teaching SPIRIT APPRECIATION 101 or something like that ( ! )

  3. It’s true, Pip, Drew and I agree on several things, yet we differ on many other things, so don’t take what I say to mean I am reflecting what Drew thinks. I apologize if I have, in my excitement on the subject, jumped up too high over a boundary here. I tend to reply as if I’m at a cafe table, wishing Drew were there/here and we’re all here having this discussion and taking our turns to speak, yet our word balloons on the internet tend to stay here a lot longer.

    As for your observations/questions, Pip, if Drew so graciously doesn’t mind, I’ll address them as carefully as I can…

    1.
    In my experience and beliefs, some earthbound spirits, ones that were never human to begin with but live here as naturally as wild animals do — nature spirits — do have an ethereal body. These spirits can be hurt on an emotional level and damage to the land and places they dwell can do them trauma, but in time they can heal. But I have encountered some in cities that are damaged and gone awry. They are often confused for ghosts or demons. Mistreatment of these spirits is carried further upon them when people attempt to banish them. Most of the time they want to be left alone, nothing more. The right Witch, medium, or Priest with the right training can help the wounded spirits find comfort again, but it can be as dangerous as treating a wounded lion.

    Radiation doesn’t destroy earthly spirits but it can irritate them. The equivalent of sticking a twig up a rhino’s ass. Not only is it disrespectful, it’s, um, just stupid.

    As for spirits who are not earthbound entities, they can’t be touched or bothered by such things. They are a whole ‘nother breed entirely and I doubt if humanity will ever know all there is to know about them. We can only guess. And I am only speculating, too. This is just as I see it.

    Drew and you can disagree or add to this discussion. I’m curious to read what you think!

    2.
    As for the sigils and so forth, well, I used to dabble with paranormal investigation. I’m a sensitive and it was nice to have folks who were more cerebral and logical around me, especially when I was young and didn’t know if I was still full of bullshit or not. One way I tested myself was letting the crew pick places in the are that were known to have activity but they didn’t tell me anything about the places. Ever get a weird feeling when you enter a place? Well, I honed in on where the source of that weirdness was coming from. Even after a crew had looked all over the place, combing it for any sign of history or whatever, I’m there for a few minutes and I blood-hound-in on sigils drawn underneath carpets and on carved into window ledges, behind walls, and in basements, down in shadowy places where no one else looked. Most of the time they were remains of some teenager or other young adult malcontent using magic to do selfish things against people they hated. At other times they were simply protective spells left over from the previous century that were, curiously enough, still active! Nice.

    ————

    As much I like the show “Oddities” I was very unhappy with the ignorant way they handled the Nganga. They are known to do follow-up stories later, and they do their research, so I hope some respect will be paid. Yet, in this age of reality TV show hype, I wince about it.

    People need to respect other people, AND need to pay proper respect to spirits, even if they think it’s all bogus. Just be nice! I tell friends and family to consider it like making a wish or a prayer — don’t interupt or disrupt, let it be.

    • B says:

      Could you please define ‘ethereal’ and how, precisely, radiation interacts with ‘ethereal’ bodies such that it is irritating?

      Thank you.

      • An ethereal body is a purely emotional body or, for lack of a better term a “presence” that all living things are born with. Based upon some religious beliefs and traditions, some say it dissolves shortly after death, others believe it survives a bit longer after death, especially if a soul made great emotional attachments to places and things before they died. Some souls are born of pure emotional energy without a physical body to be attached to, instead they are attached to places and things, and, who knows what else?

        Many different cultures around the world have many beliefs and customs concerning these spirits and they actively honor and work with them. Our culture tends to scoff at them, but our actions can have an adverse or beneficial effect on these beings. Magicians and other practitioners of ritual magic WORK WITH these spirits and other entities in order to bring about awesome things. Such as creating “good luck” or improving one’s prosperity, etc., etc.

        As for my personal beliefs and how I came to my conclusions about spirits, they are not influenced by delusion but by my ethnic background. I am Menominee Indian and spirits are a part of everyday life. To most people that seems crazy. To me, it’s normal.

        • B says:

          Emotions are reactions of the brain; they do not have an independent existence. Just as thoughts, or dreams do not ‘exist’ outside of the psychology of the person having them. (Which is not to say that they do not have a profound affect upon that person, or on how that person affects others: of course they do.)

          Given this, how can you claim that these beings have a body ‘made’ of something which is not a substance?

          There is no atomic element for fear, no molecular structure for love or anger, so how can you claim that radiation affects these creatures? There are no electrons to sheer off, no way for ionising radiation to affect a being that lacks ions to begin with.

          How would you detect such beings? You are a part of an old tradition about such things, sure, but you claim that these beings are real independent of your mind and therefore your tradition. What methods could modern science use to find them? If radiation affects them, is there a way to use low-level radioactive fields to detect them?

          • Good points! I understand psychology and logic, too. But don’t get me wrong. I’m full of common sense.

            I’ll be honest with you. Since your questions are directed to me, I’ll answer them in turn, all the while keeping in mind that I am a guest here at altmagic.com and a friend of Drew Jacob — my beliefs do not reflect his and, at any time, I hope he jumps in and provides answers of his own.

            “Given this, how can you claim that these beings have a body ‘made’ of something which is not a substance?”

            It sounds like a cop-out, but I cannot really explain it completely to satisfy everyone, and some just think I’m nuts. That’s the risk I take for sharing! But I believe that every ‘thing’ has substance. There are substances beyond the physical that make up the physical body. In some occult teachings they call these “subtle bodies” and each body corresponds to a plane of existence. The Ethereal Body I referred to is a type of subtle body that connects the physical body to the spiritual. The Ethereal is pure emotional energy, without form but the “glue” of the soul itself, it is not entirely insubstantial. You can “feel” it more than you can see it, sometimes it can have a smell.

            Also called etheric body, ether-body, and æther body, it is the most simple form of life, in between physical and spiritual, yet I find it to be more emotion in form, if emotion can take form. So. This is more my idiom than anything.

            “There is no atomic element for fear, no molecular structure for love or anger, so how can you claim that radiation affects these creatures?”

            I did not claim that radiation hurts spirits. Radiation does not effect non-physical entities, but disrespectful actions can provoke them, just like poking a wild animal with a stick will anger it no matter what one’s intentions toward it. Such as a rattlesnake will still strike you if you attempt to pick it up, whether or not you’re a good person or not, it won’t accept being disturbed.

            “How would you detect such beings?”

            There are already scientific advances being made today to detect substances and “bodies of energy” once completely invisible and virtually insubstantial to the human eye. Like, for instance, Neutrinos! Neutrinos sound a lot like the explanations of ethereal beings, or what makes up the ethereal. There are tiny fifty trillion solar neutrinos passing through the human body every second. I don’t understand everything about neutrinos and other particles, mainly because the way they are explained to me cause me confusion. If explained in a more spiritual way, I might be able to relate to it better, or believe in it more, just like a person who is more conditioned culturally to value scientific laws to the point of a religious (or, to be more correct, ethical) belief would be more comfortable given an explanation that leans more toward their ways of knowing.

            The detection of insubstantial bodies does not always take clairvoyance, it takes sensitivity, something that can be learned because the ethereal is a low hum of energy that effects the emotions the most. Yet at times, with “the mind’s eye” you can “see” the spirits made of this substance. However… this can be tricky, too.

            I question what I see. I call myself a skeptical psychic! Yet sometimes I go with the flow and see where it takes me. Life is full of mysteries. That’s what makes it an adventure.

            • altmagic says:

              I hope he jumps in and provides answers of his own.

              Well, as I said above, I don’t think radiation could do the slightest thing to affect a spirit, since a spirit would have no physical matter to affect. So, I don’t really have any answers to B’s questions because I tend to agree with him.

              I do want to emphasize the issue of disrespect however. I don’t know anything about Ngangas, but if the culture or tradition that makes them feels it’s disrespectful to take them to a lab and test them, then it’s ethically wrong to do that. Not just rude or “a different point of view,” but morally wrong. Respecting human dignity and people’s beliefs and traditions should be a priority for any kind of research, even armchair research on a TV show.

              I call myself a skeptical psychic!

              I’m not sure that’s a good characterization. Skeptical has a number of casual meanings, but to identify as a “skeptic” in these matters usually means you do not believe in anything that can’t be supported by empirical evidence. It’s not just second-guessing something or asking some tough questions, it’s a commitment to a worldview that says: anything that exists is material and can be observed, tested, verified.

              The views you express refer to substances and beings that don’t follow that rule. So, I think calling yourself a skeptic could be misleading (which I assume is unintentional).

              This is why I don’t self-identify as a skeptic. I value scientific proof above all other forms of evidence, but I at least consider whether there could be something immaterial in the world. Since I’ll allow for the possibility of that, I don’t think it would be fair of me to use that label.

              (Which is a shame since Classical skepticism is so much cooler, and I would gladly identify with that.)

              I believe B self-identifies as a skeptic, so he may be able to say whether I’ve described it accurately.

              • Your reply gives me pause. I’ll have to reconsider using the term “skeptical” then. Skeptical is more about unbelieving, rather than questioning, so therefore that means being skeptical is also uncompromising? I was under the impression that perhaps there was room in there for just simple doubt.

                So my new conclusion is it may be better to say I’m a common sense sensitive, or someone who is more practical in her approach to parapsychology.

      • Oh, and, what would be your definition of an ethereal body, Drew? Does my answer differ from yours at all? I’d love to know. Sorry if I jumped the gun again! I just love this subject so much and have enjoyed reading this blog because it’s great conversation. :-)

        • altmagic says:

          Oh, and, what would be your definition of an ethereal body, Drew?

          The main traditions of magic I focus on do not have a concept of an “ethereal body,” “astral body,” etc. So I guess I don’t have much of a definition for you.

          Bear in mind, too, that I’m not convinced spirits are objectively real. They may just be all in our heads, and I’m OK with that.

          I do think the word “ethereal” is a good term to refer to the concept of something immaterial-but-real, however. I sometimes use it in that way.

  4. Pip says:

    [scrubbed by Drew for: insulting language & OT comments]

  5. Bobby Fine says:

    I am very ignorant to this whole aspect of society, however after seeing that same episode of Oddities I haven’t been able to get that Nganga off my mind. I still have very little to no idea what an Nganga is, how one is created, the purpose of it and the affect it would have if it was opened or how it would be used.

    Valentina, you seem very knowledgable about this very subject, could you send me some links specifically on the functionality and purpose of Nganga?

    • altmagic says:

      According to Wikipedia an Nganga is normally a title for an herbalist or spiritual healer in several African traditions. However:

      “In Cuba, the term nganga refers to a certain creation made with an iron pot into which several items (such as bones) are placed. It also refers to the spirit of the dead that resides there.

      “In Caribbean [sic], an iron pot/cauldron used to imprison evil spirits using chains, padlocks, knives, etc. can also be used for evil deeds if given to wrong person.”

      Unfortunately that Wikipedia page seems very poorly written throughout, but that sounds like the object in question – probably the ladder version since it was filled with bullets.

      Installing a spirit into an iron pot is a widespread technique in African diasporic traditions. I would recommend asking an houngan or a santero if you wanted to know more.

      Also, welcome to the site Bobby! Thanks for joining the discussion.

    • I didn’t forget to answer! Sorry for the delay. I thought long about how to answer because I only know a little about the cultural and spiritual traditions…

      First of all, Ngangas are two different things:

      A traditional central African spiritual healer who uses ethnomedicine and magic to treat patients in their village (also called n’anga).

      A spirit who is called, or created, and kept in a cauldron — sometimes the spirit is from a dead person, but not really a ghost — the chains, bullets, and other metal parts are used to keep it staying in place.

      The little bits of knowledge I gained were from meeting a lady of the Bantu religion (she was from Brazil). Since that lucky meeting many years ago, I was left fascinated with the religions and spirit practices of Kimbisa in Cuba, North American Hoodoo, and Haitian Vodou. I realized over the years that these religions are very important to understand and appreciate as many people practice them on this side of the world. I also feel that these religions are far older and perhaps less molested by Christianity than what happened with the native ways of my people.

      So…

      To further answer your question, I recommend a lot of reading, but also a lot of exploring. Like Drew has recommended, it would be PERFECT to find a local houngan or a santero, yet how do you find one? It’s not like you can look one up in the phone book. :-)

      Besides turning to Wikipedia on the internet, here’s a few links to get you started that spell out all the various branches of the religions. Plus a few interesting tidbit links I thought of interest:

      This page is full of links to various multi-lingual (Spanish, French, and English) information covering Bantu religions around the world…
      http://www.nganga.org/kimpangi.html

      From Ancient Digger Archaeology: “Ngangas: Who Are They and What Are They Capable Of?” Mainly about the African Shamans and their culture
      http://www.ancientdigger.com/2010/10/nganga-who-are-they-and-what-are-they.html

      A beautiful painting of a Cuban Nganga and the story behind it, explaining a little about why they are important to people:
      http://www.folkcuba.com/botanica_ht/pab_ngangalucero_enl.html

      Here’s a little something on Zé Pelintra, Saint of the Streets (Brazil) who is related to the Ngangas:
      http://www.nganga.org/zepelintra.html
      (I love that story)

      Sometimes it is interesting to get someone else’s interpretation on the possibility of capturing ghosts. This individual wrote about the Nganga after watching the Oddities episode I mentioned:
      http://ghoststoriesandhauntedplaces.blogspot.com/2012/04/can-ghosts-be-captures.html
      (however I don’t agree with what is said, it’s just interesting to get another opinion)

      I could give you more links and spew more “I like this” stuff, but I think this gives plenty, right?

      I, myself, would love to learn more, too. I don’t know a lot, not an expert in these ways, I’m just passing on the little I know, and now I’m thinking I should endeavor to seek to know more. Thank you, Bobby Fine, and thank you, Drew, for giving me this little opportunity to get back in touch with this subject!

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